tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post6168632839398466787..comments2024-02-25T22:00:21.788-06:00Comments on theearstohear: Do you see the Contradiction? Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-44101916975143534252019-02-05T20:42:54.104-06:002019-02-05T20:42:54.104-06:00HB: This should clear things up: "And ye will...HB: This should clear things up: "And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."<br /><br />TETH: There is only one source of eternal life - the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was teaching that these people rejected that he was that source of life, the only possible place where eternal salvation can be found. He is NOT suggesting that if the non-elect came to him, he would give them eternal life, because it is utterly impossible that they would ever do such a thing, because of their utterly depraved state, devoid of God's grace in regeneration and purpose to save them. <br /><br />Clears things up quite well, <br />TETH theearstohearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331127432012852113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-34441007746829186172018-06-13T11:25:46.654-05:002018-06-13T11:25:46.654-05:00This should clear things up:
And ye will not come ...This should clear things up:<br />And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.Henry Barrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12826410468153766037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-69118156146158667082018-05-04T10:22:10.854-05:002018-05-04T10:22:10.854-05:00ANON: Absolutely true & absolutely a painful m...ANON: Absolutely true & absolutely a painful minority that holds to those Biblical convictions. <br /><br />TETH: Yes. I agree. <br /><br />ANON: Isn't that what what the PRC in your country holds to also and isn't that why they are being charged with 'Hyper Calvinism'? <br /><br />TETH: I believe that is correct. It is important to note, however, that believing that the gospel is not instrumental in regeneration is NOT the same as affirming that the gospel should not be preached to all who are willing to listen nor is it the same as affirming that the gospel has no purpose. That is just totally fallacious thinking that is pressed upon PB and PRC alike. Consider:<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TxBpyLokU<br /><br />ANON: btw, that's a denomination with Dutch roots, but not much of left overhere. <br /><br />TETH: Not too many over here either except up around Michigan.<br /><br />ANON: But you, or PB's must probably get that charge a lot too then. <br /><br />TETH: Oh yes. We get it all the time. For the most part the charge of “HyperCalvinism” is just a way of labeling us as “heretics” when other denominations have NO ANSWERS for the theological issues we raise with their beliefs. In my experience, Calvinists resort to applying this label to those of us who raise questions of their beliefs that, if properly answered in logical keeping with precepts they already admittedly affirm, would force them to ditch a host of unstable ideas that they are loath to let go – such as the Well-Meant Offer of salvation to all of humanity and the affirmation that salvation is “all of God” yet “man is also responsible.” <br /><br />ANON: A sad misunderstanding & misrepresentation. <br /><br />TETH: I totally agree. <br />theearstohearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331127432012852113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-70700914497634198362018-05-03T13:14:54.275-05:002018-05-03T13:14:54.275-05:00Absolutely true & absolutely a painful minorit...Absolutely true & absolutely a painful minority that holds to those Biblical convictions. <br /><br />Isn't that what what the PRC in your country holds to also and isn't that why they are being charged with 'Hyper Calvinism'? btw, that's a denomination with Dutch roots, but not much of left overhere. <br /><br />But you, or PB's must probably get that charge a lot too then. A sad misunderstanding & misrepresentation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-32413022292940017992018-05-03T11:22:01.436-05:002018-05-03T11:22:01.436-05:00TETH ANSWER 102
ANON: But to be honest, I myself ...TETH ANSWER 102<br /><br />ANON: But to be honest, I myself have long believed that based on certain Scripture passages as Romans 10, Ezekiel 37, etc. Which I only later saw I interpreted wrongly with regards to that topic.<br /><br />TETH: Me too. Frankly the affirmation that the gospel is the means whereby God imparts eternal life via regeneration is so ubiquitous that it is hard to find someone who ever calls this idea into question. Primitive Baptists certainly oppose this idea, and a few others, and with very compelling scriptural evidence, IMO (not the least of which is the Old Testament saints who NEVER heard the explicit NT gospel, and some of whom never even knew God by the name “Jehovah” (Exodus 6:3) much less the name of “Jesus Christ who died for our sins…). <br /><br />TETH: In fact, I have found in my efforts to share the truth of immediate Holy Spirit regeneration with others, the idea is so far from anything they have ever considered or heard that it is often rejected outright without any need for considering its scriptural basis or looking into <br /><br />ANON: But the point you make and explain is a good one and certainly one I would have more people convinced of here in our so called (Dutch) Reformed Netherlands. <br /><br />TETH: I think it is important in understanding how God saves sinners, in establishing that it is UTTERLY by his grace and power (John 5:25), in affirming that it us UTTERLY not by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5), in proving that anything spiritual you ever see in the life of a child of God is a lagging indicator of grace ALREADY IMPARTED, and in defining the proper natural and purpose of gospel ministry – it is not to populate heaven (Christ did that) but to convert those who have the ears to hear to the truth of their salvation in Christ and to admonish them to follow the Lord Jesus Christ in obedient discipleship in this life.<br /><br />ANON: There are no PB's here in the Netherlands. Send some! ;-)<br /><br />TETH: Perhaps we will. I know men who are planting PB churches all over the world. May God raise up men to do this work. <br /><br />ANON: Thanks a lot for your blog, very insightful & helpful.<br /><br />TETH: And thank you for your kind words of encouragement. <br /><br />Prove all things, hold fast that which is good, (I Thessalonians 5:21)<br />TETHtheearstohearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331127432012852113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-41615944236135907302018-05-03T11:20:33.346-05:002018-05-03T11:20:33.346-05:00TETH ANSWER 101
ANON: Isn't what's behind...TETH ANSWER 101<br /><br />ANON: Isn't what's behind this broad prevalent conviction(s) as you stated above in the topic, the central conviction of the (preached) Word being the means to the end (Salvation)?<br /><br />TETH: Yes. You are correct in many, many instances. I believe this contradiction has been proliferated among Christians by the rampant, Billy-Graham-style, “ask Jesus into your heart”, quid-pro-quo soteriology that dominates the evangelical landscape.<br /><br />ANON: What I mean is, most of the people that hold to that statement under salvation that you quoted, believe that with the preaching or communicating of the Gospel (truths) God will also by His Spirit enable/renew/regenerate the (elect) hearer so that he/she can and will believe.<br /><br />TETH: That is correct. I actually just preached on this a week ago. They take statements like “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” (Romans 1:16) and insist that it means, “I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto REGENERATION to some who are unbelievers in that it makes them believers.” But that is not remotely what that text is teaching. In fact, the very next verse teaches that the gospel is a revelation “to faith” not “to no faith.” In other words, one must have the spiritual capacity of faith (i.e., they must already be born again) in order for them to receive this gospel revelation. This is precisely what Paul taught when he said, “the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (I Corinthians 2:14) and when our Lord taught, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3) and “He who is of God heareth God’s words, ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” (John 8:47). So I believe you are right to connect this error to the false notion that the gospel is the means of imparting eternal life to God’s people. Simply put, the gospel is information – a revelation of truth. As such it presumes a “living” subject as its beneficiary. It brings life and immortality to light (II Timothy 1:10), not alien dead sinners to life. Only the immediate, life-giving, creative fiat of God can accomplish that latter resurrection (John 5:25). <br /><br />ANON: That is supposed to explain (away) the matters of paradox and mysteries that so many use to cover up the lack of Scriptural knowledge and understanding in this area of Biblical theology.<br /><br />TETH: I’ve often marveled at the “rational” attempts of some to “explain” that which they insist is a logical paradox. The contradiction embedded in that effort seems totally lost on most “theologians” who rush in where even those modestly acquainted with logic fear to tread. ☺theearstohearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331127432012852113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-28048484125717348752018-05-03T10:21:48.581-05:002018-05-03T10:21:48.581-05:00Dear Brother,
Isn't what's behind this br...Dear Brother,<br /><br />Isn't what's behind this broad prevalent conviction(s) as you stated above in the topic, the central conviction of the (preached) Word being the means to the end (Salvation)?<br /><br />What I mean is, most of the people that hold to that statement under salvation that you quoted, believe that with the preaching or communicating of the Gospel (truths) God will also by His Spirit enable/renew/regenerate the (elect) hearer so that he/she can and will believe.<br />That is supposed to explain (away) the matters of paradox and mysteries that so many use to cover up the lack of Scriptural knowledge and understanding in this area of Biblical theology.<br /><br />But to be honest, I myself have long believed that based on certain Scripture passages as Romans 10, Ezekiel 37, etc. Which I only later saw I interpreted wrongly with regards to that topic.<br /><br />But the point you make and explain is a good one and certainly one I would have more people convinced of here in our so called (Dutch) Reformed Netherlands. <br /><br />There are no PB's here in the Netherlands.<br />Send some! ;-)<br /><br />Thanks a lot for your blog, very insightful & helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-32946409109676701642016-09-25T13:14:56.264-05:002016-09-25T13:14:56.264-05:00John 8:47 not 6:47 brother TETH John 8:47 not 6:47 brother TETH Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08618677265138955988noreply@blogger.com