tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post6063538447008331664..comments2024-02-25T22:00:21.788-06:00Comments on theearstohear: Elder C. H. Cayce on Hebrews 6:4-6Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-65953407928613494482020-05-07T06:58:16.668-05:002020-05-07T06:58:16.668-05:00Thanks, brother. I have some additional thoughts t...Thanks, brother. I have some additional thoughts to supplement what I originally wrote. The weakness of interpreting this passage to treat of a hypothetical scenario is that does not fit the context of the epistle, in which Paul is clearly warning his audience.<br /><br />Significantly, I'd like to draw attention to the fact that the "thorns of briers" of Heb 6:8 can be found in Isaiah 5:6 - the prophecy here in Isaiah is that God's unfruitful vineyard (Israel after the flesh) will be trodden down, just like Jesus said of the earthly Jerusalem (Luke 21:24). Likewise, Jesus cursed the fig tree, that it should bear no more fruit, the fig tree being Israel after the flesh (consider Luke 13:6-9). Heb 6:4-6 assumes eternal life, because the people under consideration were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and such are sealed (2 Cor 1:22, Eph 1:13), their salvation is 100% secure, with the earnest of God given (2 Cor 5:5). However, they would bring themselves under the (temporal) curses of the Law, which were about to be poured out upon Israel after the flesh - and to the uttermost, as also spoken of in Deuteronomy 28, because they crucified the Son of God. Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-84167558484640905262020-03-22T12:31:16.418-05:002020-03-22T12:31:16.418-05:00We really miss your updates and perspective of eve...We really miss your updates and perspective of events, please consider doing some updates. Here's a softball to get things going on the blog:<br /><br />John MacArthur: The church is NOT Israel<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtue2oFiIMQ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-64470152313794516372020-02-01T11:51:39.124-06:002020-02-01T11:51:39.124-06:00Brother Don,
First off, thanks for taking a momen...Brother Don,<br /><br />First off, thanks for taking a moment to leave a thoughtful comment. While I agree that some of the Lord Jesus Christ's comments are best interpreted as having reference to the events of 70 AD, I am less sanguine about the extent of preterism’s utility. I do not believe your line of reasoning, that our lack of knowledge of the precise “day” of Christ’s coming, definitively negates that this “day” has reference to Christ’s coming. The contemporary Hebrew audience did not know the precise “day” of the coming destruction of Jerusalem either. So, if this argument is compelling, it likewise undermines that “day” has reference to the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem as well. <br /><br />While we may not agree precisely on what is intended by Hebrews 6:4-6, it seems that we are in agreement about the necessity to avoid interpreting this passage in a way that suggest that one can lose their salvation. That is clearly an obnoxious and unscriptural conclusion that should be avoided at all costs. <br /><br />God bless, <br />TETHtheearstohearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02331127432012852113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8636101379916124937.post-48707201230351388342020-01-26T13:32:26.564-06:002020-01-26T13:32:26.564-06:00I favor an interpretation relating to 70 AD for th...I favor an interpretation relating to 70 AD for this passage. Likewise, the other warnings in the second, tenth, and twelfth chapters of Hebrews refer to the coming destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. In none of the warning passages, including Hebrews 6:4-6, is loss of eternal salvation contemplated, of course—which would be impossible for any of the elect (John 6:39, 17:2). The warnings pertain to temporal judgment for forsaking the New Covenant and going back to Moses’s religion, which many persecuted Jewish Christians were being tempted to do, and Paul (the probable writer of Hebrews) exhorts them not to do so. <br /><br />The destruction of Jerusalem, for example, is prophesied in many places in the New Testament – e.g., the Olivet Discourse recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21, which is oftentimes misapplied to future prophecy. Much of it is prophetic (metaphorical) language pertaining to the destruction of Jerusalem, not the Second Coming. And it includes sayings such as, “he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." This is not a reference to eternal salvation. In the Olivet Discourse, Jesus tells His disciples of specific signs to watch for that portend the coming destruction of Jerusalem. In fact, many Jewish Christians did escape by doing exactly as Jesus commanded, and fleeing to the mountains. <br /><br />The warning in Hebrews 10:26-31 is quite similar to the passage in question. If we can discern the meaning of that, I think we can understand Hebrews 6:4-6. I would propose that we look at the verse that comes immediately before, verse 25:<br /><br />"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."<br /><br />Pay particular attention to the phrase, "... as ye see the day approaching."<br /><br />What day is that? Is it the Second Coming of Christ? It cannot be, because numerous passages in the Bible tell us we don't know the day or the hour, and that there will be no specific warnings preceding it. Therefore, we cannot see it approaching. Furthermore, the Apostle Paul said that the Second Coming of Christ cannot happen until the man of sin is revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1-10). This passage is obviously referring to the Second Coming, as the destruction of Jerusalem was of no concern to the Thessalonians. That prophecy was yet unfulfilled in Paul's lifetime. (It has since been fulfilled, as the "man of sin" refers collectively to all the popes of Rome.) <br /><br />Likewise, consider verse 6:8, that it is "nigh unto cursing" – that being the Jewish nation – but already it "is rejected." Indeed, we're told in Hebrews 13:8 that the Old Covenant is "ready to vanish away," which was fulfilled by the destruction of the temple. See also Galatians 4:21-31, which shows that the nation of Israel is compared to the rejected son of Abraham, Ishmael, under the bondage of the law; but the children of promise are compared to Isaac and are the spiritual seed of both Jews and Gentiles (Romans 2:28-29). Donnoreply@blogger.com